I actually live 2 hours away from Twin Oaks! I never knew it existed, and looking into it, it seems like the kind of place I’d fit in. I’ll have to visit some time.
Visited there a while in 1969. Enjoyed it very much, but... At that time, drinking (apple wine, mostly) was commonplace after hours. Some residents begged for money. One resident showed up at my house a few weeks after I returned. When he left, he stole $200.00. Would describe the good parts, but, honestly, there were too many of them to fit here.
They have a website where you can see pictures of the members, the only thing I found about age is that a woman celebrated her 75th birthday and moved away but i'm not sure if it was forced or not.
the world is broken!, humans need to change course! we have to give up commercialism and economics, everyone needs to go work for "free" for the benefit of society, if each person would do what they love doing for 6 hours a week, for the sack of everyone else around them, money would not be needed! and everything else will start falling in line as a result, imagine a world without money! my plan, is to start building this world, and i would love to hear from other's who are like minded, to see if other's would like to join in, and to help make this a reality. if you do, please respond to this post. i am located in Florida near Orlando
@@angry1631 lol the opposite is happening, the world is becoming a complete turbo-capitalism fiasco. Even China is just a turbo-capitalist state it completely left communism behind and buried it.
@@angry1631 Tbf, the "Great Reset" bs agenda is different. That community is voluntary (they don't accept everyone/have a testing period) whereas the great reset is something they are trying to impose on everyone. By force Consent changes everything. Oak Ridge can exist alongside (and well, inside) a capitalist/freemarket system, so there's no issue with it
I believe all religion ultimately evolved in order to help groups stay together. Without that, how do you inspire the next generation to do the hard jobs? The early days of this commune showed how difficult that is. Sure people enjoy making hammocks but organizing was too much work with not enough reward. Skinner himself even admitted to falling for the same misconceptions about peoples' motivations as Marx.
Edward O. Wilson had it right in that people are not blank slates and that biology and evolution have to be accounted for. However, I would no more follow EOW completely than I would Skinner.
Do they pay taxes and what about social security would if a younger members join how does it work 🤔 do they still get there social secuirty later on or are they in there own goverment society fill me in thank you
@@maesaliva why does everyone pretend china and korea and russia have anything to do with commune-ism...Name a single self sustainable commune out there.
So, since all medical costs are paid by the community, how do people respond to other members who exhibit unhealthy behavior, ...like smoking or drinking or eating junk food?
I'd like to know more about that. In some intentional communities I've visited I see that they ostracize people who don't fit in so that they feel unwelcome and eventually leave.
The People who form Intentional communities, are people taken from our current system, so, they carry with them all the baggage that the current system produces. Some more....some less. Its not so easy, like we press a button and suddenly we live in an utopia. People have to try for to make it work. They need to think in terms or "We", rather than "Me". Education is the Key to everything. You cannot force someone to live a healthy life... you should explain to him (Educate him) why healthy living is Best for all. If hes Adult, its harder to do so... and many times i guess, he wont change his ways. The worldview and goal should be shared by everyone, for what exactly is the purpose for this communities. Also there have to be specific rules that is respected by everyone that wants to join, so the whole thing can work. Personally if i was living in such a community, i would not mind if someone smoked as long as he was not doing it in closed spaces where non-smokers would be too.
Good point about people joining intentional communities realizing that the community actually has an intention that they want to focus on. On the other hand, being able to opt out is fine with small groups but trying to do that on a national scale is a horse of a whole-nother color.
@@guardiandogoargentinos1385 no Communism is a stateless, moneyless and classless society In order to make things happen you need to voluntary organisation, communes and coops are a good way of organizing So this is more of an application of communism in a statist capitalist society
@@wutm8565 Communism is not forced.... It's designed to be extremely open. Unfortunately the word has been highjacked by populist dictators running totalitarian societies.
The one guy has a legit concern about when you leave....? You can spend 40 years here and when you leave you have nothing to show for all your labor. No equity, nothing to sell. Who own the corporation, who owns the land....400+ acres? You worked 42 hours a week for room and board . Did he say they paid them $$$, 7K a year, or they paid a tax on 7K worth of benefits a year. Either way, a great deal for the owners of the corporation. Slave labor. I can understand a steady turnover of people. Might be fine for someone looking for a place to hang while sorting out there thought process, but definitely nothing long term.
That's the case with most companies you work for, and I'd rather work here knowing I get room and board whereas in mainstream capitalist society my wage won't even be enough to afford living in an apartment as is the case for millions of working class people in this country.
dabprod really . slave labour ? smoke a joint bro / sister . stop with the fucking painful bullshit .you think working in the real world is better than this . then you either dont work or your on another fucking planet .
Why nothing long term? Its possible to live permanent and die there, and your kids do the same. I dont know if they do this in Twin Oaks, but its possible for such communities. Also why does it have to be One Owner?..The land can be owned by everybody who lives there. Again..i dont know if this is the case for Twin Oaks, but it can be for any such community. Everything is a matter of perspective.
Why do people keep commenting on how they want to come here? This is literally communism. Edit: Y’all when I made these comments I was super conservative. While I still don’t think this is a good idea, please excuse my past behavior.
Organic food, different responsibilities from most modern life, potentially slower life vs city life, sense of community including friend and family that the people you’re referring to don’t have. Vegetarian options”probably mandatory, unsure based on their tofu manufacturing.” But yea, you’re probably somewhat right, though these types of places always come off as cult like. They mentioned shared income which indicates to me that the community would have access to our tax and income information. Scary stuff man. Too much potential for abuse and misappropriation of members assets. Of course, I say all this based on what I’ve seen of Scientology and without have ever been there to see it.
Super Super And whose fault is it that some people have low paychecks? It’s theirs. Because they won’t get a new job OR they can’t because they did something stupid in the past. If it’s because they have a mental disorder, there’s medicine that they’re refusing to take or put any effort into getting. Not to mention that every communist society falls apart eventually. Go to North Korea or travel back in time to the USSR if you want this lifestyle.
A small group of ~100 Hippy Communists works out a hell of a lot better than a group of say, ~10,000,000 Communists. Having differing communities *within* a community provides something that no other place can offer. The chance to get away from it all without changing an entire Countries way of operation. Don't like your Desk Job that you'll be stuck at for another 40 years? Bills and Debt up to your neck? Tired of the mindset of the average individual being set simply on greed and malice? Move away. Work the land. Cultivate only what you need, and leave the rest for others. Because contrary to your belief - Jobs don't exist everywhere, for everyone. Let's say you grew up in a rural farm town. Where only Factories, Fast Food, and Franchises exist within your reach. What Job skills will you have by say, 30? Will you be able to make the leap into an Executive Advertising Company? Maybe a new Tech Startup in Silicon Valley? Probably not. Will you be able to move to that Big City across the way and be a big shot millionaire by the time you come back? Probably not. The American Dream is just that, a Dream. Perhaps if you were blessed in Childhood with being raised in a large, ever expanding City, had a wealthy upbringing, and a good Public/Private education, you *might* be able to look at "the world as your oyster". But many won't be able to. It's easy to say "Just get a new/better job", "just move to a better city", etc., etc., than it is to actually do it and succeed. It's funny to me that the people who tend to say these things are stuck in deadend jobs themselves, they usually just don't know it yet.
Tyler Bishop Uh... I don’t have a job at all. I’m a minor. While a hundred hippie communists is better, it’s still not good. It’s eventually going to collapse
Q: What happens if I want to be an Archaeologist? Or operate my own restaurant? Or live by the ocean and sell hot dogs from my own cart? Or be any kind of a crafts person or artist? A: Well, we have a some openings making tofu. How's that? We make wooden stretchers for our hammocks; if y ou like to work with wood, you can do that. If you want to live by the ocean, we have a small pond. And you are free to dig around on our land for Native American artifacts if you like. Probably none here, but knock yourself out ... the possibilities are endless. We'll not exactly "endless," but .... Hey, you know what? Nvm, learn to live with lower expectations you capitalist tool! Can't you see we are the wave of the future? You can't always get just what you want. Or, uh, hardly anything I guess. Just make do, OK?
Pat Downs you’re kind of missing the point, it’s not for everyone and they don’t let just anyone in. They have internships and a membership process. You could be a cook, carpenter or find a similar group along the coast. No one forces you to join these communities.
If I were 18, I'd get my ass to a place such as TO before I'd let myself be abused by the mainstream workplaces and housing situation. Although, I'd never think Behaviorism holds water, but from what I hear, neither do many at TO nowadays. Evolutionary biology has buried Behaviorism.
I actually live 2 hours away from Twin Oaks! I never knew it existed, and looking into it, it seems like the kind of place I’d fit in. I’ll have to visit some time.
Visited there a while in 1969. Enjoyed it very much, but... At that time, drinking (apple wine, mostly) was commonplace after hours. Some residents begged for money. One resident showed up at my house a few weeks after I returned. When he left, he stole $200.00. Would describe the good parts, but, honestly, there were too many of them to fit here.
Thanks for uploading!
You are tearing me apart, 3:48!
What is the average age of folks in the commune...do they throw folks out if they can't work 42 hours, get old, frail and blind?
They have a website where you can see pictures of the members, the only thing I found about age is that a woman celebrated her 75th birthday and moved away but i'm not sure if it was forced or not.
No, they value human rights. That only happens under capitalism
the world is broken!, humans need to change course!
we have to give up commercialism and economics, everyone needs to go work for "free" for the benefit of society, if each person would do what they love doing for 6 hours a week, for the sack of everyone else around them, money would not be needed! and everything else will start falling in line as a result, imagine a world without money!
my plan, is to start building this world, and i would love to hear from other's who are like minded, to see if other's would like to join in, and to help make this a reality.
if you do, please respond to this post.
i am located in Florida near Orlando
aaaa I wish i was american now so i could join this community
Miko sunstrider they accept international members
Then immigrate to the United States
Don't worry, it's being forced on the world now. You will own nothing and be happy!! Total BS!
@@angry1631 lol the opposite is happening, the world is becoming a complete turbo-capitalism fiasco. Even China is just a turbo-capitalist state it completely left communism behind and buried it.
@@angry1631 Tbf, the "Great Reset" bs agenda is different. That community is voluntary (they don't accept everyone/have a testing period) whereas the great reset is something they are trying to impose on everyone. By force
Consent changes everything. Oak Ridge can exist alongside (and well, inside) a capitalist/freemarket system, so there's no issue with it
My dream home.
I believe all religion ultimately evolved in order to help groups stay together. Without that, how do you inspire the next generation to do the hard jobs? The early days of this commune showed how difficult that is. Sure people enjoy making hammocks but organizing was too much work with not enough reward. Skinner himself even admitted to falling for the same misconceptions about peoples' motivations as Marx.
Edward O. Wilson had it right in that people are not blank slates and that biology and evolution have to be accounted for. However, I would no more follow EOW completely than I would Skinner.
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
A Low-Tech RBE...sounds good to me:)
Me too!
sounds like Hell!
davetileguy EXACTLY
why
Do they pay taxes and what about social security would if a younger members join how does it work 🤔 do they still get there social secuirty later on or are they in there own goverment society fill me in thank you
salut a tous c'est fanta
Is there any Asian in the community? I want to be a member too.
Mee Gar It’s communist...
Let's create our own
@@maesaliva what's wrong with cummune-ism? You don't like communes...
Esoteric Truth ת It always ends up falling apart. Take the Soviet Union or North Korea as an example.
@@maesaliva why does everyone pretend china and korea and russia have anything to do with commune-ism...Name a single self sustainable commune out there.
So, since all medical costs are paid by the community, how do people respond to other members who exhibit unhealthy behavior, ...like smoking or drinking or eating junk food?
With Education i guess
I'd like to know more about that. In some intentional communities I've visited I see that they ostracize people who don't fit in so that they feel unwelcome and eventually leave.
The People who form Intentional communities, are people taken from our current system, so, they carry with them all the baggage that the current system produces. Some more....some less.
Its not so easy, like we press a button and suddenly we live in an utopia.
People have to try for to make it work.
They need to think in terms or "We", rather than "Me".
Education is the Key to everything.
You cannot force someone to live a healthy life... you should explain to him (Educate him) why healthy living is Best for all.
If hes Adult, its harder to do so... and many times i guess, he wont change his ways.
The worldview and goal should be shared by everyone, for what exactly is the purpose for this communities.
Also there have to be specific rules that is respected by everyone that wants to join, so the whole thing can work.
Personally if i was living in such a community, i would not mind if someone smoked as long as he was not doing it in closed spaces where non-smokers would be too.
Good point about people joining intentional communities realizing that the community actually has an intention that they want to focus on.
On the other hand, being able to opt out is fine with small groups but trying to do that on a national scale is a horse of a whole-nother color.
Yes... its another color... but not unattainable given the right conditions.
That's way too short.
Communism REEEEEE!!!!!
So commune-ism is just communes?
this is light communism no? its a choice, not enforced...
@@wutm8565 communism isn’t forced
@@guardiandogoargentinos1385 no
Communism is a stateless, moneyless and classless society
In order to make things happen you need to voluntary organisation, communes and coops are a good way of organizing
So this is more of an application of communism in a statist capitalist society
@@wutm8565 Communism is not forced.... It's designed to be extremely open. Unfortunately the word has been highjacked by populist dictators running totalitarian societies.
The one guy has a legit concern about when you leave....? You can spend 40 years here and when you leave you have nothing to show for all your labor. No equity, nothing to sell. Who own the corporation, who owns the land....400+ acres? You worked 42 hours a week for room and board . Did he say they paid them $$$, 7K a year, or they paid a tax on 7K worth of benefits a year. Either way, a great deal for the owners of the corporation. Slave labor. I can understand a steady turnover of people. Might be fine for someone looking for a place to hang while sorting out there thought process, but definitely nothing long term.
you nailed it.
That's the case with most companies you work for, and I'd rather work here knowing I get room and board whereas in mainstream capitalist society my wage won't even be enough to afford living in an apartment as is the case for millions of working class people in this country.
Nuclear.......sorry, but you lack any drive or ambition.
dabprod really . slave labour ? smoke a joint bro / sister . stop with the fucking painful bullshit .you think working in the real world is better than this . then you either dont work or your on another fucking planet .
Why nothing long term? Its possible to live permanent and die there, and your kids do the same.
I dont know if they do this in Twin Oaks, but its possible for such communities.
Also why does it have to be One Owner?..The land can be owned by everybody who lives there.
Again..i dont know if this is the case for Twin Oaks, but it can be for any such community.
Everything is a matter of perspective.
Why do people keep commenting on how they want to come here? This is literally communism.
Edit: Y’all when I made these comments I was super conservative. While I still don’t think this is a good idea, please excuse my past behavior.
Organic food, different responsibilities from most modern life, potentially slower life vs city life, sense of community including friend and family that the people you’re referring to don’t have. Vegetarian options”probably mandatory, unsure based on their tofu manufacturing.”
But yea, you’re probably somewhat right, though these types of places always come off as cult like. They mentioned shared income which indicates to me that the community would have access to our tax and income information. Scary stuff man. Too much potential for abuse and misappropriation of members assets. Of course, I say all this based on what I’ve seen of Scientology and without have ever been there to see it.
Super Super what do you mean?
Super Super And whose fault is it that some people have low paychecks? It’s theirs. Because they won’t get a new job OR they can’t because they did something stupid in the past. If it’s because they have a mental disorder, there’s medicine that they’re refusing to take or put any effort into getting. Not to mention that every communist society falls apart eventually. Go to North Korea or travel back in time to the USSR if you want this lifestyle.
A small group of ~100 Hippy Communists works out a hell of a lot better than a group of say, ~10,000,000 Communists.
Having differing communities *within* a community provides something that no other place can offer. The chance to get away from it all without changing an entire Countries way of operation.
Don't like your Desk Job that you'll be stuck at for another 40 years? Bills and Debt up to your neck? Tired of the mindset of the average individual being set simply on greed and malice?
Move away. Work the land. Cultivate only what you need, and leave the rest for others. Because contrary to your belief - Jobs don't exist everywhere, for everyone.
Let's say you grew up in a rural farm town. Where only Factories, Fast Food, and Franchises exist within your reach. What Job skills will you have by say, 30? Will you be able to make the leap into an Executive Advertising Company? Maybe a new Tech Startup in Silicon Valley? Probably not.
Will you be able to move to that Big City across the way and be a big shot millionaire by the time you come back? Probably not.
The American Dream is just that, a Dream. Perhaps if you were blessed in Childhood with being raised in a large, ever expanding City, had a wealthy upbringing, and a good Public/Private education, you *might* be able to look at "the world as your oyster".
But many won't be able to. It's easy to say "Just get a new/better job", "just move to a better city", etc., etc., than it is to actually do it and succeed.
It's funny to me that the people who tend to say these things are stuck in deadend jobs themselves, they usually just don't know it yet.
Tyler Bishop Uh... I don’t have a job at all. I’m a minor. While a hundred hippie communists is better, it’s still not good. It’s eventually going to collapse
Are Republican's and Conservatives WELCOME there???
Sure as long as you don’t force your ideology in anyone else or on the community
They need Jesus
jackal wolf It’s pronounced “Hay-Zeus”. He’s their shingle guy. Always gets the job done and cheaply.
Q: What happens if I want to be an Archaeologist? Or operate my own restaurant? Or live by the ocean and sell hot dogs from my own cart? Or be any kind of a crafts person or artist?
A: Well, we have a some openings making tofu. How's that? We make wooden stretchers for our hammocks; if y ou like to work with wood, you can do that. If you want to live by the ocean, we have a small pond. And you are free to dig around on our land for Native American artifacts if you like. Probably none here, but knock yourself out ... the possibilities are endless. We'll not exactly "endless," but .... Hey, you know what? Nvm, learn to live with lower expectations you capitalist tool! Can't you see we are the wave of the future? You can't always get just what you want. Or, uh, hardly anything I guess. Just make do, OK?
Pat Downs you’re kind of missing the point, it’s not for everyone and they don’t let just anyone in. They have internships and a membership process. You could be a cook, carpenter or find a similar group along the coast. No one forces you to join these communities.
If you wanted to do those things then you wouldn’t fucking live there you lunatic.
For a lot of folks this is just what they want. And the capitalist answer to those questions is... "make enough money & we'll talk"
If I were 18, I'd get my ass to a place such as TO before I'd let myself be abused by the mainstream workplaces and housing situation. Although, I'd never think Behaviorism holds water, but from what I hear, neither do many at TO nowadays. Evolutionary biology has buried Behaviorism.